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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2008, 10:23:55 pm »
Give me a good old 3 piece Balata ball.    :)

As long as it can hold up to square grooves.   ???





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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2008, 10:25:00 pm »
If its from the Titleist president or CEO, then it is not a factsheet but a press release by Titleist.  Obviously the situation is skewed to suit them and make their followers happy.  If it is from Callaway, its the same thing.

The only impartial and fair third party is the court.  They have ruled in favor of Callaway, so Titleist has been stealing ideas.  It has even ruled in favor of injunction.

So the simple fact is Titleist violated the patents, and Callaway won the case.  It's just as clear as that.  It would also be great to get commentary from legal experts with law licenses in the venue of the case (Delaware?).  Let's not trust Titleist's skewed comments at face value.

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2008, 10:27:28 pm »
Geo, what about Titleist's claim that they had previous patents that superseded Callaways?  And their claim that Callaways patents shouldn't have been issued?  And their claim that "The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office agrees with Acushnet. It has reexamined the patents and issued final actions that all 4 of these patents are invalid and should never have been issued." ?  That is a big claim to make publicly.

The court saw otherwise.

Though it's just an opinion and would never stand out in court.... Have to go back in time for a bit.

Around 1998 or so the only main stream 2 piece ball used on Tour was the Strata. Those patents applied to Sullivan.

That same time- Titleist was still using the Wound ball for its high end balls. The Professional.... the Balata  then the Tour Prestige. The Hp2 Series balls stunk to high heaven IMHO.

Sullivan leaves Top Flite in 1999....heads to Titleist, who was still selling the Tour Prestige and Professional... and wham bam.... they have the Pro V1 in 2000.     Just very odd circumstances.

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« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2008, 10:49:04 pm »
Objective minds would accept neither the Acushnet "flak" nor that from "Callaway". 

Otherwise, by all means go and buy a lot of stock in the company for whom you root.  Kinda easy to see who the rooters are, eh?

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2008, 11:00:14 pm »
Geo, what about Titleist's claim that they had previous patents that superseded Callaways?  And their claim that Callaways patents shouldn't have been issued?  And their claim that "The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office agrees with Acushnet. It has reexamined the patents and issued final actions that all 4 of these patents are invalid and should never have been issued." ?  That is a big claim to make publicly.

The court saw otherwise.

Though it's just an opinion and would never stand out in court.... Have to go back in time for a bit.

Around 1998 or so the only main stream 2 piece ball used on Tour was the Strata. Those patents applied to Sullivan.

That same time- Titleist was still using the Wound ball for its high end balls. The Professional.... the Balata  then the Tour Prestige. The Hp2 Series balls stunk to high heaven IMHO.

Sullivan leaves Top Flite in 1999....heads to Titleist, who was still selling the Tour Prestige and Professional... and wham bam.... they have the Pro V1 in 2000.     Just very odd circumstances.
I see, very odd circumstances indeed.

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2008, 11:12:05 pm »
Geo, what about Titleist's claim that they had previous patents that superseded Callaways?  And their claim that Callaways patents shouldn't have been issued?  And their claim that "The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office agrees with Acushnet. It has reexamined the patents and issued final actions that all 4 of these patents are invalid and should never have been issued." ?  That is a big claim to make publicly.

The court saw otherwise.

Though it's just an opinion and would never stand out in court.... Have to go back in time for a bit.

Around 1998 or so the only main stream 2 piece ball used on Tour was the Strata. Those patents applied to Sullivan.

That same time- Titleist was still using the Wound ball for its high end balls. The Professional.... the Balata  then the Tour Prestige. The Hp2 Series balls stunk to high heaven IMHO.

Sullivan leaves Top Flite in 1999....heads to Titleist, who was still selling the Tour Prestige and Professional... and wham bam.... they have the Pro V1 in 2000.     Just very odd circumstances.

Excellent point Geo,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2008, 12:52:09 am »
Objective minds would accept neither the Acushnet "flak" nor that from "Callaway". 

Otherwise, by all means go and buy a lot of stock in the company for whom you root.  Kinda easy to see who the rooters are, eh?

John

I totally agree.  Some people's biases are very evident.

Thank God there is a good legal system in America who can weigh the facts and evidence objectively and apply the law properly.

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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2008, 01:12:57 am »
Objective minds would accept neither the Acushnet "flak" nor that from "Callaway". 

Otherwise, by all means go and buy a lot of stock in the company for whom you root.  Kinda easy to see who the rooters are, eh?

John

I totally agree.  Some people's biases are very evident.

Thank God there is a good legal system in America who can weigh the facts and evidence objectively and apply the law properly.
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« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2008, 09:39:03 am »

I totally agree.  Some people's biases are very evident.



Pot calling kettle black, in it's purist form.

Jick.. :P
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2008, 09:41:02 am »
Give me a good old 3 piece Balata ball.    :)

As long as it can hold up to square grooves.   ???


I think modern balls go thru the wind at least 50% better than the old balatas.
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #60 on: November 16, 2008, 09:44:21 am »
Geo, what about Titleist's claim that they had previous patents that superseded Callaways?  And their claim that Callaways patents shouldn't have been issued?  And their claim that "The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office agrees with Acushnet. It has reexamined the patents and issued final actions that all 4 of these patents are invalid and should never have been issued." ?  That is a big claim to make publicly.

The court saw otherwise.

Though it's just an opinion and would never stand out in court.... Have to go back in time for a bit.

Around 1998 or so the only main stream 2 piece ball used on Tour was the Strata. Those patents applied to Sullivan.

That same time- Titleist was still using the Wound ball for its high end balls. The Professional.... the Balata  then the Tour Prestige. The Hp2 Series balls stunk to high heaven IMHO.

Sullivan leaves Top Flite in 1999....heads to Titleist, who was still selling the Tour Prestige and Professional... and wham bam.... they have the Pro V1 in 2000.     Just very odd circumstances.


Geo, you don't think the EV Extra Spin and other Bridgestone/Precept balls were mainstream? 

Price won 2 majors with the Precept Extra Spin (2 piece solid), and Janzen won the 98 US Open with a Precept Dynawing (3 piece solid).
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #61 on: November 16, 2008, 10:01:11 am »
Geo, what about Titleist's claim that they had previous patents that superseded Callaways?  And their claim that Callaways patents shouldn't have been issued?  And their claim that "The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office agrees with Acushnet. It has reexamined the patents and issued final actions that all 4 of these patents are invalid and should never have been issued." ?  That is a big claim to make publicly.

The court saw otherwise.

Though it's just an opinion and would never stand out in court.... Have to go back in time for a bit.

Around 1998 or so the only main stream 2 piece ball used on Tour was the Strata. Those patents applied to Sullivan.

That same time- Titleist was still using the Wound ball for its high end balls. The Professional.... the Balata  then the Tour Prestige. The Hp2 Series balls stunk to high heaven IMHO.

Sullivan leaves Top Flite in 1999....heads to Titleist, who was still selling the Tour Prestige and Professional... and wham bam.... they have the Pro V1 in 2000.     Just very odd circumstances.


Geo, you don't think the EV Extra Spin and other Bridgestone/Precept balls were mainstream? 

Price won 2 majors with the Precept Extra Spin (2 piece solid), and Janzen won the 98 US Open with a Precept Dynawing (3 piece solid).


Close, but not really. Good golf balls- I played them.

And Spalding had been trying this for years. Anyone who played the Original Tour Editions that Greg Norman played in the late 80's early 90's.... The TourMarshmallow.

But nothing like the Pro V1 Boom.

reflog74

Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #62 on: November 16, 2008, 11:41:32 am »

I totally agree.  Some people's biases are very evident.



Pot calling kettle black, in it's purist form.

Jick.. :P

I agree.

Pot, meet kettle; kettle, meet pot!

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #63 on: November 16, 2008, 12:26:26 pm »

I totally agree.  Some people's biases are very evident.



Pot calling kettle black, in it's purist form.

Jick.. :P

Ok, now this is funny! :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #64 on: November 16, 2008, 01:07:23 pm »
hey guys...I think we all show our bias...whatever forms our opinions-bad interactions with companies/people/product...
it will always show thru in our reactions to situations....JMO
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #65 on: March 10, 2009, 11:09:33 pm »
From WebStreet Golf Report:
"ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE: The battle over golf ball patents appears to be accelerating rather than drawing to a conclusion between Callaway Golf (ELY: NYSE) and Titleist (FO: NYSE). Callaway said it has filed a new patent infringement lawsuit that alleges the new 2009 Titleist Pro V1 and Pro V1x golf balls infringe on it’s golf ball patents. “We were disappointed to discover that Titleist and Acushnet (parent company to Titleist) have again used patented Callaway technology in their Pro V1 golf balls,” said Steve McCracken, Senior Executive Vice President, Chief Administrative Officer, Callaway Golf. “As long as Titleist - or any competitor - continues to introduce products that we believe infringe our patents, we will continue to seek relief in the courts. We expect to prevail in this second suit as well.”
While it may take a rocket scientist to design a golf ball, it doesn’t take one to figure out Titleist’s response on the matter. In a prepared statement it said, “These claims are without merit, as Acushnet has designed its new Pro V1 models to be outside the claims of all Callaway patents. Acushnet has asked the court to rule that the patents asserted by Callaway are not infringed and are invalid.”
Meanwhile, under the heading of a good defense is a strong offense, Titleist pushed back with a patent lawsuit of its own. In its complaint, Acushnet asserts that Callaway’s Tour i and Tour ix golf balls infringe on nine of Acushnet's United States patents covering multi-piece, solid core technology.
“As the industry leader, we respect the valid intellectual property of others and expect others to respect ours,” said Joe Nauman, Executive Vice President, Corporate and Legal, Acushnet Company. “We believe that disagreements like these are best dealt with between the companies involved and we have repeatedly attempted to resolve these disputes. When these discussions failed, Callaway left us with no other course of action but to move forward with this lawsuit. We are hopeful that these matters can be resolved, but we will continue to protect our intellectual property rights. It’s regrettable that one of our competitors would rather compete in the courtroom than in the pro shop,” Nauman concluded. “However, we are committed to seeing these matters through to appropriate conclusions. While all litigation is uncertain, we remain confident that we will prevail.”
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #66 on: March 11, 2009, 08:03:33 am »
The price of callaway and titleist balls just increased....again  :laugh: can't we all just get along?

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« Reply #67 on: March 11, 2009, 08:51:51 am »
Meantime, over at Srixon, they're spending big $$ on advertising/endorsements, instead of lawyers.   ;) 

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« Reply #68 on: March 11, 2009, 09:49:05 am »
John,

I noticed that too.  When I watched the Honda last Sunday, it seemed every other commercial was Srixon.  I also noticed quite a few players with Srixon endorsements.

I like the the Srixon balls and hope their advertising pays off.


Meantime, over at Srixon, they're spending big $$ on advertising/endorsements, instead of lawyers.   ;) 

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #69 on: March 11, 2009, 11:19:19 am »
Meantime, over at Srixon, they're spending big $$ on advertising/endorsements, instead of lawyers.   ;) 

John

Great point, John.  I've been playing the new Srixon Z Star since it came out.  IMO it's one of the best balls on the market, and it's $40 a dozen at full retail.  I'm not spending more than $40 a dozen for balls...PERIOD! It may not sound like a lot, but I go through about 2 dozen a month.  Over the course of a year, I save about $150 which is a nice night out with my wife!  And if I'm "lucky"  :w00t: that's money well spent on something other than high priced golf balls sold by companies suing each other.

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #70 on: March 11, 2009, 07:56:49 pm »
Precept U-TRI EXTRA for me,, picked up 8 dozen on clerance at Target for $48 bucks,,,,,, thats 6 bucks a dozen,,,, and I hit them as long and spin them just right for me,,,,,,,
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #71 on: March 11, 2009, 09:18:45 pm »
Srixon makes some great stuff. !

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« Reply #72 on: March 11, 2009, 09:42:41 pm »
Meantime, over at Srixon, they're spending big $$ on advertising/endorsements, instead of lawyers.   ;) 

John

Exactly.  They did a 2 for 1 promotion of the Z Stars/Z Star X a couple weeks ago up here in Canada.  Tour balls for $24 a dozen?  Yes please.
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #73 on: March 11, 2009, 10:38:38 pm »
Bridgestone B330 RX, a great ball if you don't have a 110 MPH driver swing. Not cheap but every bit as good! I also heard good things about Srixon. Never hit the Callaway Ix as far as Titleist Prov V1x or Bridgestone.

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #74 on: March 11, 2009, 11:22:06 pm »
Bridgestone E-6 is also a great ball,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

I could stick with only just one putter, but, what fun would that be?

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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #75 on: March 11, 2009, 11:30:12 pm »
I used to play the Bridgestone B330s, which was pretty damn nice

These days I've been playing free Titleists which my dad gets from welding supplies vendors and then sends off to me. Picked up 2 dozen Pro V1s, 1 doz. V1x, 2 doz. DT Roll and 2 doz. DT Carry.

I actually like the DT Rolls, they're spinnier than the DT SoLo but still nothing like a Pro. Funny part is they're all 2008 version balls. Good thing I'm not playing for my card over here. Local track had 2008 Pro V1s and V1xs on closeout for $43 a dozen or something, might pick one up.

Been thinking about trying Srixon for a while now.
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2009, 09:02:32 pm »
I'm all over the new Srixon ball. I played the Wilson 50 the last 2 years. Everyone laughed at me, until they tried one.
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2009, 07:36:37 pm »
I want a dozen Srixon Z-stars sooo bad but my local shop (where I have store credit) doesn't have them in stock. They sound perfect from all the reviews I've read.

All this titliest vs callaway stuff is a huge turn off for me. Neither one will end up being the number one ball in the future.
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #78 on: March 21, 2009, 09:48:07 am »
I want a dozen Srixon Z-stars sooo bad but my local shop (where I have store credit) doesn't have them in stock. They sound perfect from all the reviews I've read.

All this titliest vs callaway stuff is a huge turn off for me. Neither one will end up being the number one ball in the future.
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Re: Callaway/Titleist Lawsuit over ProV1 and Patent Infringement
« Reply #79 on: March 24, 2009, 02:21:17 pm »
Bet: Ok the future being 10 years down the road? or that my shop has z-stars in stock?

Seriously how could anyone know?

I bought a dozen z-stars and they seem great so far. sooooft.
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