Author Topic: Something to think about.  (Read 621 times)

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Something to think about.
« on: April 22, 2018, 10:54:03 AM »
Is your putting stroke proactive or reactive? It is very difficult to create a feel for distance with a reactive stroke.
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2018, 03:58:35 PM »
Thanks, this sounds interesting. But may I ask what the difference is? I know what the words mean, but not really sure in a practical sense in this situation.

Many thanks in advance,
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2018, 05:01:09 PM »
Typically we see the reactive strokes fall into 2 categories. Most often is a rotational issue that forces me to use my hands to correct a putter face that is not consistent to the path the putter travels on. Example would be someone who tries to keep the face square to the target line rather than allowing it to remain square to the arc.

The other comes in the acceleration of the putter in the forward swing. You either come in too hot and decel or you don't have enough speed and you react by forcing the acceleration.

Proactive strokes can roll the ball just as accurately with their eyes closed as open.
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 11:11:10 AM »
Proactive strokes can roll the ball just as accurately with their eyes closed as open.

How about looking at the hole?

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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 11:42:19 AM »
Then it becomes reactive. Instinct says to swing the putter where I am looking. If Feel doesn't match Visual you will react. If you move your eyes during the stroke, you will react.
If the putter twists off the arc plane of the stroke you will react.
If you miss a putt, you will react and try to fix the  next one.
Proactive strokes have a single common miss, Reactive strokes have a variable miss.
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2018, 11:10:16 AM »
This topic is hitting home for me right now.  When I'm just putting naturally and letting the putter go, I use my arms with passive shoulders with good results. Problem is, I don't hit the sweet spot with this stroke. It's not all over the place but not the sweet spot either.

Now if I'm manipulating and thinking about my stroke, I start the stroke with my left arm (straight-ish back) and my right arm on the through stroke (still down the line but with more face rotation). With this stroke, I am much more consistent with hitting the sweet spot but the manipulation is also more and have more of a tendency to miss because I'm reactive.

Question is...how do I stay I stay with stroke 1 and find the sweet spot?

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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2018, 01:01:35 PM »
Hi Tony,


If it is a toe hit, watch that you don't start your forward swing with your left shoulder. No turn going back and the the left shoulder opening early can pull the putter inside your plane.


2nd. Watch to see if the ball is too far forward and your shoulders slightly open. This would cause you to stroke the putt late in the arc, as the putter is coming up and in.


If by chance it is a heel hit consistently make sure you are not too close to the ball.


That should be  a good start.

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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2018, 01:31:27 PM »
I think the 2nd could be the issue with me. Have a narrow stance and play it close to my big toe of my left foot (not that much but closer to it than center). Will do some experimenting and see what happens. Thanks Bruce!!!
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2018, 01:56:06 PM »
Toe strikes + pulls = Ball too far forward.
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2018, 02:03:01 PM »
Toe strikes and high on the face. Reactive stroke causes pushes more than pulls. Misses are right. Overcompensating I'd say.
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2018, 02:08:23 PM »
Then I would look at rotation. Shut - block? Tough to hit it high on the face if the ball is too far forward.
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Re: Something to think about.
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2018, 02:54:24 PM »
Got the putter out and tried it out with the ball position back a little more. Feels strange. Better contact for sure though.

Shut block is probably right Bruce. Don't know if it's the 4* loft or what, but it's not so high on the face.
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