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Ball Roll Discussion
« on: February 21, 2018, 03:26:09 PM »
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The diagram below is meant to depict two different ball launch conditions off a putter. The top shows a putter with 0 degrees shaft lean and 2 degrees of loft. The bottom diagram shows the same putter with 4 degrees of shaft lean and -2 degrees loft at impact. The difference to the player? At the top the grip might be pointed at your belt buckle, while the forward lean would be trending toward your lead pocket.[/font][/size]This is a simple example of two common schools of thought on how to launch a ball off the putter to get the ball rolling as soon as possible. But before we discuss the two methods lets clarify a couple of things.1. Ball roll is a function of the forward momentum of the ball combined with the friction from the ground. so as the ball moves toward the target the ground resists, causing a forward rotation of the ball. Eventually as the forward momentum dissipates the ball rolls continuously along the ground. At this point we have reached what many of my colleagues refer to as true roll. So the theory is that the lower you launch the ball the sooner the ground reacts to the ball and true roll happens quicker. Depending on the launch angle this happens at anywhere from 10 -20 percent of the distance of the putt. This skid phase is essential in having a putt roll.2. There is a fine line between skid and bounce. If you launch the ball at a greater angle, say more than 3 degrees, the ball literally lands and bounces up. This minimizes the time on the ground in the early phase of the putt and reduces the friction between the ball and the ground. This delays the influence of friction and when the ball begins to roll.In the next post we will begin to discuss the differences between the two.
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Re: Ball Roll Discussion
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 04:56:01 PM »
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Re: Ball Roll Discussion
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2018, 04:57:16 PM »
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Re: Ball Roll Discussion
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 03:09:42 PM »
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Re: Ball Roll Discussion
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 02:03:15 PM »
Bruce,
Would the pinch also exaggerate the effects of a lie angle that isn't perfect?
I am thinking that maybe becuase of the compression force
Is greater with the pinch than that would magnify the face pointing left or right due to lie angle.
Dennis

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Re: Ball Roll Discussion
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 02:56:34 PM »
Bruce,
Would the pinch also exaggerate the effects of a lie angle that isn't perfect?
I am thinking that maybe becuase of the compression force
Is greater with the pinch than that would magnify the face pointing left or right due to lie angle.
Dennis

Hey Dennis,

I would think this is a definite possibility, but I don't have any data to back that up.

Bruce
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Re: Ball Roll Discussion
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2018, 11:03:24 AM »
Bruce - have found these recent articles very interesting and it's making me consider my shaft lean. I know from the data I had when it was last measured I had a downward AoA, but no forward shaft lean at impact, if as you indicate the dynamic loft has more effect than stroke path - am I right in thinking I should be using a putter with less loft than the standard 4°?
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