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putter fittings/analyses
« on: April 28, 2016, 12:34:24 PM »
Sorry for the lengthy post below but a recent fitting has "jolted" me.....

I went to a golf center for a putt lab analysis to verify specs (loft, lie, length) for a custom putter.  This location also does Edel fittings.   Complete shock to learn thru edel process that every one of my blades i brought along , with full or 1/2 offset, was aiming right, between 4-10 inches, consistently, depending on the blade.  i didn't even get to the putt lab analysis yet.....

  The Edel approach was telling me that mid-mallet/mallet was better for my aim, with no offset, which would improve my putting consistency, and  did correct my aim at address in the store. 

But, i feel i have pretty consistent accuracy and decent decent distance control.  Some of my blades have alignment marks,  flow and plumbers necks, moderate weights.  I like the full offset for hand in front, feel that i am aiming right with no or minimal offset.  More right hand-dominant, slightly open.  I am not opposed to a mid-mallet, and this probably wont change my path, rotation specs, not sure how less offset will change my stroke though.

Any feedback on the relevance of aim at address and importance vs. other factors appreciated. 


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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2016, 10:55:19 PM »
You have the choice to listen to their recommendations or not. They showed you what worked best for you and why, and yet you still don't believe it. Why did you even go in there?

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2016, 10:55:36 PM »
In my opinion, the ball doesn't move based on aim.  A bigger concern is impact; if you get the face angle to match up with your path and you start the ball on your intended line consistently does where you aim really matter?  Aim only becomes an issue if you can't do it consistently.


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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2016, 03:47:31 AM »
I agree with cnosil.  Where you aim at setup is no more than an interesting piece of data.  What happens dynamically?  I'm assuming that you don't miss 100% of your putts 4-10 inches right, as that seems like something you'd have noticed by now.  So apparently the way the putter head moves in your stroke returns it to more square.

Where you are aiming it may have more to do with your visual perception of where the hole is, while standing beside the ball in your setup.  You may be standing a little too close.  Point a ruler precisely at a hole or target from about 12 feet and then assume your setup over it with no putter.  Move closer and further from the ruler until you are in a position where the ruler looks to be pointed at the target.  Do it a couple of times walking in fresh.  Compare your optimum distance from the ruler to how you normally set up to the ball.  Do it again with a ball on the ruler and with a club in your hand to see if the club is changing anything.
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2016, 07:10:51 AM »
You have to ask yourself if you aim away from a consistent miss. Many do.
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2016, 07:24:56 PM »
thanks for the constructive feedback, I've got some testing to do before I finalize any putter order.  I believe I am not compensating with a push or block and that I see the ball better with some offset.   I need to get out and tinker with a full offset vs offset, all other things the same.  And then re- approach the ball positioning per pj comment.

Regarding bar golf comment, are you suggesting that Maybe I am stroking away subconsciously from a a left -bias aim?  Perhaps my hands don't belong in front.......

Thanks all

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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2016, 08:28:03 PM »
A change in ball position can quickly fix an aiming problem as well as moving closer or farther from the ball.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2016, 08:31:56 PM »
I think it is the reverse of what you are thinking.  As opposed to a push or block, if you are starting out with the face aimed to send the ball right (across your family of putters), you are going to either have to hit a pull or at least shut the face back to square prior to impact.  So I think the question Bruce is asking is whether you have a consistent miss to the left that you are compensating by aiming right.

As an aside, the more offset the more the putter face will tend to move closed during the stroke.  That could be related to why the full offset seems to fit your eye.  If you aim it right and it ends up closing you may be ending up in the right place.

What was your path looking like on the PuttLab?  And were they seeing the face angle close between address and impact?
« Last Edit: April 30, 2016, 08:35:17 PM by PJ »
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2016, 08:34:02 PM »
Bruce, so would you move the ball towards the left foot to square it up if you are aiming right?
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2016, 02:42:53 AM »
Yes or look to see if the right aim is caused by excessive forward shaft lean.
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2016, 02:45:08 AM »
The Puttlab guys fit offset to shaft lean. Hands in front they reduce it. Add loft position they increase it.
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« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2016, 03:09:06 AM »
We don't evaluate the data in the same way as Science and Motion. Puttlab fits putters to a standard single stroke type. We fit to the profile as determined by player tendencies. We have 9 to chose from. For those familair with our system, Puttlab thinks everyone should be a Profile 2.
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2016, 03:11:48 AM »
Bruce, so would you move the ball towards the left foot to square it up if you are aiming right?

PJ. He aims right with forward shaft lean. Yes I would look at moving the ball forward.
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2016, 07:12:07 AM »
Guys, I apologize

My aim in the alignment test was off to the left , not right.  That probably makes more sense with the full offset from what I understand.
sorry for the confusion.  I'll finish the Puttlab analysis later this week and see what that says.
Currently My ball position is centered, eyes inside line.

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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2016, 08:31:57 AM »
Ripple are you right dominant?
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2016, 04:35:58 PM »
Right eye dominant
Right hand dominant,

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« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2016, 04:53:43 PM »
The following picture is from my online class. Most players who have aiming issues find that aligning the bal position with their dominant eye, eliminates the need to chose a head shape to fix aim issues. You can play the putter that matches rotation and assists the player to a square position at impact.
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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2016, 05:10:50 PM »
So Ripple, would you describe your ball position as #5?

Left eye players might aim a 5 position to the right. Right eye players might see the 5 position left. This also shows how ball position could influence path. While the stroke plane is parallel to the target line a forward position moves the path left in the arc and a swing path at impact might show left.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2016, 06:04:17 PM »
I would say my eyes are ~2 inches inside the ball at setup.
If top of your green oval is eyeline then a spot inside the top right number quadrant of 4/5/8/7 if that makes sense.

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Re: putter fittings/analyses
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2016, 06:45:39 PM »
12&3 are eyes over.
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« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2017, 06:10:33 PM »
i have a tendency to miss putts to the right.  I putt with a center shafted putter and a Scotty GoLo5R.  I'm a left handed golfer who plays right and am left eye dominant.  According to the chart you posted I play my eye directly over the ball and in the middle number to the left of center or far left on the chart only center row of numbers, number 3 position.  So...what type of putter should I consider or what teaching aid should I use to help me overcome this tendency?
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« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2017, 07:12:36 PM »
The right miss comes from the face pointed to the right at impact. The open face could come from a variety of reasons. Clised to open rotation, a putter that stays square to the path, and the path is tilted right are two of the most common. In both cases aim and impact are separate issues. Unfortunately, ball position alone is not enough information to solve the problem. What type of putter do you currently play?
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2017, 07:16:27 PM »
I currently putt with a Cameron studio select 2.6 center shaft, and sometimes a Cameron GoLo 5R.  Would a Eyeline mirror shoulder alignment help or any other practice devices, or suggestions!  Thank You for answering my post!

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2017, 07:32:20 PM »
Based on your putter selections I would try a putter with some toe hang and a littke offset. It would be reasonable to think it is a matter of not enough rotation through the ball. Aiming tools dont often solve impact issues.
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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2017, 07:37:05 PM »
Which putters have more toe hang?  Brands? Styles?  Thanks for your help!

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« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2017, 08:02:40 PM »
Start with an Anser/Newport style. Any golf shop would have one to try.
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