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Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« on: October 24, 2010, 01:12:38 PM »
Note: This post is a personal opinion and not necessarily the official position of PutterTalk.

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PutterTalk has way too many members who have nondescript user names, email address's, introductions, etc. Many of these same people and others have more than one account; either as a result of the data base merge that took place earlier this year, because they signed up for an account and then forgot the password so they signed up for another account or because they did not like the user name they choose or because they felt the need to have multiple identities to access the site with. Others have made sure that their account information is devoid of any and all information that may personalize their membership or in some way identify who they are.

Think about it for a minute; the site is suppose to function as a place for people to socialize with others that like putters and golf yet some members what to do that in an anonymous and clandestine manner. Would you want to play golf with some guys who would not tell you their name, shake your hand or introduce themselves to you? Would you want to sit down with someone over a beer or two and shoot the bull never knowing their name, never looking them in the eye and shaking their hand when you introduce yourself? Would you want to have business transactions, buying and selling, giving and taking advice, with someone who has not introduced them selves and told you who they were?

Why is is any different in an Internet forum? Is it because of my age (over 50) that I feel this way?

When I see memberships that are set up to hide the identity of the user it raises red flags. When I see posts from these members and they never use their name or they post an introduction that is really not an introduction because it provides no information about the identity of the member, I just shake my head in disbelief. Who wants to deal with a member whose name is jc5x%@sD3m and had an email address that is hoir894mdn@xxxxx.com (where xxxxx is yahoo, hotmail, or some other free email service that anyone can dispose of at a moments notice)?

When I see a new membership being requested and the information being supplies is blank or non nondescript, the name is some random combination of letters and numbers and it has an email address like @free1you.inf, @free1free.net, etc. the account get trashed.

Below is a screen shot of a members profile. Notice what information is included and what is not. There is no email address. Yes that member (me) has an email address listed on their account and the box to allow members to email them has been checked. However, that does not allow other members to view the email address. You can send the member an email and they will get an email from you. However, members Other than Global Moderators and Administrators) can not go into your Profile and see what your email address is. Only when you send someone an email is your email address disclosed and then only to that member.

I would suggest that all member use a legit email address, not a disposable nondescript email address that hides who you are. I would further suggest that you check the box allowing other members to send you an email.

I would also suggest that if you have not posted an introduction thread that you do that now and tell the other members something about yourself, including your name, where you are from , etc. If you have already made an introduction post and it is one of the nondescript no information type "introduction" threads, post an update or start a new introduction thread. Consider posting your name when in your signature or personal text area and every now and then sign your posts with your name so members will know who you are.

If you are considering doing business with anyone on the site and thy have not properly introduced themselves or they are keeping their personal or other identification information private, then I would strongly suggest that you do not consider dealing with that member.

Lastly, if you have duplicate accounts it is a violation of the rules and grounds to ban access to all your accounts. If you sign up for an account pretending to be someone else all accounts associated with you will be banned. Do not pretend to be someone other than who you are for any reasons, they are not valid reasons under any circumstances.

Yes this post was prompted by the actions of some past and current members and I thought it would be worthwhile to give my point of view.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 03:19:51 PM »
jr - Would there be any benefit of having a 'cull' of dorment accounts? I dunno, maybe inactive for last 12 months, perhaps? It might tighten up the operation by clearing away some dross.*

*Apologies to any members who have been on holiday for the last twelve months and just read my last comment.

Peggy.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 03:22:12 PM »
I mean Steve. Sorry.

Male. 45. Kent. UK. Caucasian. 6 feet 2 inches. Feet size 11. Blue eyes.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 03:26:06 PM »
Blonde.  Muscular. 6 pack.  Extemely handsome...

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2010, 03:26:43 PM »
Points well taken JR. 
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 03:38:28 PM »
Jr

Some good points, though on the email address I have used the same hotmail account now 15+ years, and personally would not use another.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 05:04:13 PM »
Jr

Some good points, though on the email address I have used the same hotmail account now 15+ years, and personally would not use another.

Same as me. My internet provider does that and that only.Hence i have to have an email addy somehow.
But then again Dave,like me your not trying to hide up or be anonymous either.......



jr - Lots and lots of people easily forget that the internet,and a forum especially; is an interaction between real living,breathing people.Although not quite as old as you id say im old school too and see a few common courtesies as such as nothing out of the ordinary in life,or 'in here'.

As much as socialising in an internet forum is weird in some peoples eyes,doing the same and being desperate to leave no trace of who you are is even stranger......
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 07:51:58 PM »
I would like to say there are a lot of good reasons to limit the amount of personal information you provide on public internet forums. And most of those reasons have no sinister motives.  I could provide links to several articles that explain why caution should be used with personal information online, but I'll leave that as a project for anyone who is interested.  I have no problem addressing someone by their screen name. 

I've provided my name, address, etc to several on this site in the normal process of business or investigating products or services.  I expect those individuals to protect that information the same as I would expect any merchant to protect my personal information.  But unless we have business dealings or unless the opportunity arises to meet any of you in person, I think it is wise to use a cautious approach. 

Keep in mind that anything you post or make available here is instantly available to anyone worldwide.  It may be someone in another country, someone you know at work, or someone down the street from where you live who could attempt to use information about you in an inappropriate way.  As much as you want internet interactions and courtesies to be the same as face to face social interactions, they are not.  Something to think about the next time you post something personal on a public forum.
 
The internet is a great place for people with common interests to have discussions.  It doesn't detract from those discussions if I only know you by a screen name.  After a certain number of posts, a recognizable personality becomes attached to the name anyway.  That's part of the unique attraction of internet forums.           
 
 
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2010, 03:30:39 PM »
I'm part of the younger generation (27) and don't have any issues using my first name on a forum.  However, I don't like letting people know more than just my first name unless necessary.  This is an online forum, not real life.  I don't need to know much more than your first name.  If I were doing business with you via the forum, though, I would like to know your first and last names. 

I also use Yoshiod9 as my screen name/sign-in for everything because it is my middle name (Yoshio), my first initial (D), and my favorite number (9).  If someone chooses not to associate with me because my main email address is yoshiod9@aol.com, so be it.  I feel it's their loss rather than mine.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2010, 04:07:48 PM »
I'm part of the younger generation (27) and don't have any issues using my first name on a forum.  However, I don't like letting people know more than just my first name unless necessary.  This is an online forum, not real life.  I don't need to know much more than your first name.  If I were doing business with you via the forum, though, I would like to know your first and last names. 

I also use Yoshiod9 as my screen name/sign-in for everything because it is my middle name (Yoshio), my first initial (D), and my favorite number (9).  If someone chooses not to associate with me because my main email address is yoshiod9@aol.com, so be it.  I feel it's their loss rather than mine.



I am with you on this one.

(We all know T.J.'s hat size......that is way too personal.)
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2011, 01:06:15 PM »
Hey Guys,

A little late to this blog.  I'm 64 so I know where some of you are coming from but I also am wary of too much personal info of mine that gets out there. 
Having said that rick is my real name and my Avatar is that of my 4 year old grandson and my fat butt.  I think people over 60 have a different outlook towards the internet as a whole than the younger generation.
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2011, 02:25:41 PM »
Unfortunately, there are companies that mine websites and message boards for information about users and then sell this data. Your computer or phone has identifying numbers or other characteristicss that can be tracked without needing cookies or malware. Once a company is tracking your device they try to narrow down who you are and what you might want to buy. So far they deny tagging a device with a name but there is no law that would stop them. And don't think that cybercriminals would hesitate to add whatever info they might find out about you to their database. Seems paranoidn sure. The Wall Street Journal had an amazing series of articles about this recently.  An example was a message board for individuals with mental issues, if I remamber correctly.
Any personal info has to kept very secure.
And don't get me started about electronic medical records. The security of many of those  systems is awful.

jr

Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2011, 04:53:08 PM »
Sometime check out PT without signing in, you would be a guest. You can then poke around to see what others can or can not see if they are NOT members. Guests can not see you profile information and some other sections of the site like the Introduction section.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2011, 05:51:28 PM »

When I get back to my laptop I'll find links to articles about these companies. They join message boards and get access.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 06:19:11 PM »
Sometime check out PT without signing in, you would be a guest. You can then poke around to see what others can or can not see if they are NOT members. Guests can not see you profile information and some other sections of the site like the Introduction section.

Will do, thanks.
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 09:10:26 PM »
Here is a link to the WSJ article about computer fingerprinting:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646704100959546.html

Here is a company called RapLeaf that tracks you by name using a cookie, and scraping info about you from social websites:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304410504575560243259416072.html

More about scraping firms and how they "break in" to membership websites, like this one. 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703358504575544381288117888.html

And here is an article about the commonly used cookies.  Did you know that the worst offender is dictionary.com?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703977004575393173432219064.html


I truly doubt that there is enough money in putters for a company to pay a scraper firm to find out who each of us are.  The risk is in software that matches up nicknames or computer fingerprints between sites and then uses this to find out who you are from a benign site like this. 

jr

Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 10:12:26 PM »
For what it is worth: if you do not clear your computer cache and cookies every couple of days you are asking for problems. Many people accept cookies from every site they visit and never clear their cache or cookies. They are asking for problems and they are the people the companies you referenced above are looking for. At some point you have to take a pro-active approach eliminate the software (cookies, etc.) that track you. Also, there is an option in Firefox, Safari, etc. that allows you to Privately Browse. If you are surfing the net and visiting sites that you no nothing about you should click the Private Browsing option to help protect yourself.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 05:27:46 PM »
Don't know about IE or. Safari but private browsing in firefox does not protect you or make you invisible. It only wipes the history, cache, and cookies when you close. Your ip address is still visible as is your computer fingerprint or phone unique identifying number. You would have to go through an anonymizer site.
I'm not trying to be difficult but just pointing out thge hazard of revealing personal information
I have a friend who helps run a web site for group support of tragedies. They have noted some false signups and fishy activity.  You need to be careful.

jr

Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 06:49:18 PM »
Just another FYI: The "ban" list for PT is approaching 2,500 users. Many of the users have multiple IP's associated with them. Of those 2,500 probable under 100 have been problem members. The rest are bans associated with spamers, proxy servers, etc. There are some automatic actions that take place when a known problem associated IP tries to sign up for membership. There are international lists of servers that spammers, anonymizers, dirt bags, etc. use and the software is set up to NOT allow them access to the site.

This is one reason this thread was started. Sometimes when people try and be secretive, private, etc. and use the site it looks like they are up to no good and they and their IP get put on the ban list. Trying to be cute with a member name or account can get your account restricted. That is one reason we like to encourage people to introduce themselves and get to know the other members.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2013, 08:07:23 AM »
I dont use my regular email for forums although I am 100% legit in joining this place.

This is my first and only account. I joined and should probably have the title newbie forever as I have no really advice to give any of you. Im here to learn from you guys and have only started taking my putting seriously since the start of the year.


I will upgrade my details.



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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2013, 10:40:42 AM »
I'm part of the younger generation (27) and don't have any issues using my first name on a forum.  However, I don't like letting people know more than just my first name unless necessary.  This is an online forum, not real life.  I don't need to know much more than your first name.  If I were doing business with you via the forum, though, I would like to know your first and last names. 

I also use Yoshiod9 as my screen name/sign-in for everything because it is my middle name (Yoshio), my first initial (D), and my favorite number (9).  If someone chooses not to associate with me because my main email address is yoshiod9@aol.com, so be it.  I feel it's their loss rather than mine.

Old but still pertinent topic...

Jimbo is a college nickname from the early-mid 70's and my hotmail account dates back to BEFORE MicroSoft bought the email site that they couldn't compete with in-house. 21 is the # of my hero from growing up and buc is a nod to my favorite team the Pirates.

That is probably too much to divulge, but it is what it is. You can make yourself just as secure as possible and still be hacked, phished, mined... heck, the state of South Carolina had it's tax stuff hacked and now every SSN from those who filed there is out there, somewhere, in the hands of bad people.

I sign virtually every post I make, and that may also be too much information... but as I near 60 I am beyond trying to hide from the world. Also, if I call you my number and name comes up on your caller ID, if you call my house or cell I don't screen my calls, I answer them. It seems that the world is trying to hide, but I am not.

Don't ask me any religious questions because that will get the conversation locked and removed, but overt sexual remarks are OK apparently. Be careful what links you follow here as well as anywhere on the net, you might be taken somewhere that you don't want to be. We all have to live within a set of rules that we don't make, so you can choose to live your life behind a skirt or you can lay it out there for all to see. With limits.

Rambling now...
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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2013, 11:21:02 AM »
... Don't ask me any religious questions because that will get the conversation locked and removed, ...
Jimbo  8)

Yes Jimbo, those that break the rules have those inappropriate posts and comments removed. Those that knowingly and blatantly break the rules will have more problems down the road. It is too bad that you can not live with fact that the site has a set of rules and you feel they should not apply when you see fit. It certainly is getting old to continue to read your comments and the shots you take at those that try and make the site run smoothly and by the rules. If you really have that big a problem with following the rules you can always leave the site, start your own site or post elsewhere.

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2013, 11:51:41 AM »
... Don't ask me any religious questions because that will get the conversation locked and removed, ...
Jimbo  8)

Yes Jimbo, those that break the rules have those inappropriate posts and comments removed. Those that knowingly and blatantly break the rules will have more problems down the road. It is too bad that you can not live with fact that the site has a set of rules and you feel they should not apply when you see fit. It certainly is getting old to continue to read your comments and the shots you take at those that try and make the site run smoothly and by the rules. If you really have that big a problem with following the rules you can always leave the site, start your own site or post elsewhere.

Speaking the truth in a civil fashion should not be viewed as 'taking shots'... asking an honest question should result in honest replies, not sarcasm such as "yawn", etc... why anyone takes it personally when I and others are not supposed to... well that just makes no sense.

I don't take reprimands as personal shots, I am trying to learn the boundaries, as some are hard and fast while others are pretty soft. It isn't so much a problem with following the rules but figuring out what they really are and which ones are going to be applied and which ones are kind of winked at.

Nothing personal toward you or anyone else is intended, just trying to get along within your rules. That's all...

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Re: Is Your Name "Peggy"?
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2013, 12:48:56 PM »
The rules are clear.  No religion, no politics, no racial/ethnic slurs, no personal attacks.
No rule against sarcasm.
Don't take it so personally.

Cheers,
John