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The 8802
« on: January 05, 2007, 05:30:44 PM »
I thought I'd see if we could get a thread going on one of my favorite putters (that I unfortunately don't know a lot about).  I spent most of my golf career playing an 8802 (and still break it out periodically).  I know the 8802 has a long history (accompanied by several other differently named but similar models), so for those in the know - please share.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2007, 06:35:58 PM »
I also like the 8802

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2007, 06:44:02 PM »
It has to be one of the ultimate classic putters of all time. I look forward to learning more about it.


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Re: The 8802
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2007, 07:15:45 PM »
Is the one that looks like the SC NAPA ?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2007, 07:23:51 PM »
Yup...the 8802 started it all for that shape.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2007, 07:34:33 PM »
gorgeous putter!!

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2007, 08:37:23 PM »
there is the 8802 and the 8813, both look like the napa and come in many different metals and finishes.  My favorite is the 8802 milled which has a gunblue finish.  It feels like butter.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2007, 09:00:57 PM »
My first 'real' putter was a LH 8802.  I had used hand me downs, bent putters, rusted putters and anything else I could get my hands on when I was a kid.  Left handed putters were very hard to come by.  I remember the day I was in a golf shop and they had 1 LH putter on the rack.  It was the first time I saw a LH putter for sale in the shop. It was an 8802. I grabbed it and ran to the counter without hitting a putt with it.  It stayed in my bag for about 10 years as my gamer.  I still have the putter and it makes it to the practice green once in a while but hasn't been back in the bag for a while now.  This is a putter that I will never sell.....not a lot of $$$value, but it holds a special place as my first 'real' putter purchase.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2007, 10:29:10 PM »
Good story.  My 8802 was my second putter.  I received it for Christmas from my father, and it stayed in my bag until I went through a putting funk.  I went through 4 or 5 putters before I happened upon Camerons.  Finally settled on, what else, a Napa style head.  Though I use the Napa most of the time, I still throw the 8802 in the bag periodically.  Actually had it out last weekend.  The putting was the only consistent, and good, thing all day.  They are simply a beautiful putter.

Is anyone familiar with the nickel test for identifying the original 8802s?  I've heard that it identifies the originals, but I don't know how late an 8802 model would pass the test.  There is also a plug or marker on top of the grip that identifies the original, but I know no more than that.  Can anyone fill us in?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 10:43:56 PM »
8802 is $$$ one of my golfing buddies has the michael Jordan signature one with the dark finish it's  :o

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2007, 04:58:44 PM »
I have a 8813, an original 1960s version.  It is a great feeling putter.  My putter is in need of restoration and refinish as it has seen better days.  I found this putter on a by mail club exchange member based group in the early 90s.  I would love to have a 9.0 8802 with original shaft but that would cost quite a bit as this putter, and the Designed by Arnold Palmer, are one of the classic putters ever made.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2007, 10:34:45 PM »
What do you think an 8802 like that would go for?  I've watched ebay off and on for awhile, looking for one of the original 8802s.  Those that I have seen have not been quite that nice, but the prices weren't bad.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2007, 11:42:33 PM »
Let's see some pics!
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2007, 01:04:42 AM »
Did these ever come in different finishes?

thanks chris

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2007, 08:48:01 AM »
What do you think an 8802 like that would go for?  I've watched ebay off and on for awhile, looking for one of the original 8802s.  Those that I have seen have not been quite that nice, but the prices weren't bad.

A 9.0 8802 (not reproduction) would run anywhere from $600 - $800, maybe $1000.  That is not a bad price but the problem is that to find one that isn't beat to heck is very difficult.  I have seen a couple on Ebay that didn't sell because the reserve did not get reached.  I believe one person wanted around $1500 for BIN. 
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2007, 09:10:05 AM »
Did these ever come in different finishes?

thanks chris

Over the years of production, I've seen the chrome finish and a matte black finish on the 8802 and some of the special editions.

Thanks for the info on pricing.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2007, 12:06:45 AM »
What do you think an 8802 like that would go for?  I've watched ebay off and on for awhile, looking for one of the original 8802s.  Those that I have seen have not been quite that nice, but the prices weren't bad.

A 9.0 8802 (not reproduction) would run anywhere from $600 - $800, maybe $1000.  That is not a bad price but the problem is that to find one that isn't beat to heck is very difficult.  I have seen a couple on Ebay that didn't sell because the reserve did not get reached.  I believe one person wanted around $1500 for BIN. 

Thanks for the pricing, I was also wondering the value of one.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2007, 12:53:38 AM »
My understanding is that the Designed by Arnold Palmer was the "original" blade style putter by Wilson that evolved into the 8802.  I'm not sure what the 8813 looks like or any differences between those models.  I have an original Designed by Arnold that I will post pictures beside a SC Napa. 

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2007, 08:34:23 AM »
The 8813 is an 8802 with a sight line on the top line of the putter and a mine on the flange horizontal to the face.  The Scotty Cameron Napa Valley resembles the 8813.  I have an original 8813 that someone did some minor grinding to the top line that I need to have fixed.

The Designed by Arnold Palmer is the original design.  The production number for the DBAP was 8802.  When Arnold left Wilson to form his own company, Wilson simply called the design 8802.  Arnold Palmer took a MacGregor Tommy Armour IMG5 and ground it to the shape of the Designed by Arnold Palmer and put that putter in his bag.  Wilson apparently did not like that and came up with the DBAP line.  IMO, Arnold Palmer designed one of the classic designs of all time.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2007, 01:18:44 AM »
I thought Robert Mendrella was the designer of the 8802 - I would love to hear the story with Palmer and Mendrella.

FYI - Here's my black chrome 8802 from the early 1970s.



I put some more pics in the other 8802 thread.

If anyone is looking for an all original black chrome, send me a PM. 
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2007, 04:23:19 PM »
This is a quote for Bill Vogney's article Vog's corner Vol1:

"Arnold is a well-known club junkie, always tinkering with new clubs.

Scotty knows the story that Palmer, in his own workshop, created the design for the Wilson 8802 with an old MacGregor Ironmaster, welded some additional metal to the flange and reshaped the head until it was perfect."

I have also seen Robert Mendrella's name listed as designer of the 8802.....


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Re: The 8802
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 05:35:26 PM »
I believe that Rober Mandrella did do the work on the 8802 line but that was after Mr. Palmer designed the original model in his workshop.  I would bet that the two of them worked on refining the putter that was introduced as the Designed by Arnold Palmer or that RM took over the DBAP after Mr. Palmer left Wilson. 
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2007, 04:18:47 PM »
I sent Arnold a letter to see if he will (or his letter writter) answer our question.  Should be interesting to see if I get a response in 4-6 weeks!

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2007, 05:02:18 AM »
Hello All,

Actually, I believe the first of the Wilson 8802 style putters was released in 1962 and was simply named the Arnold Palmer model. On the sole, "Arnold Palmer" was stamped in black script (signature style) and "Wilson" was stamped nearer the toe, on a slant, in smaller red block print.

The "Designed by Arnold Palmer" model was released the following year (1963) after Mr. Palmer parted ways with Wilson.

The following year (1964), as most people know, the 8802 was released by Wilson to replace the DBAP.

I would normally provide photos but I'm stuck on Maui with only my laptop. I will show you all some pics when I return to the mainland.

BTW, if anyone else is on Maui, let me know and we'll get together and hit a few! 8) I'll be here for a few more weeks.

Jack

 




 

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2007, 03:46:08 PM »
Thanks Jack, I have seen that Arnold Palmer model and was wondering your exact explanation.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2007, 07:09:22 PM »
Thanks Jack, I have seen that Arnold Palmer model and was wondering your exact explanation.


Tim, your more then welcome.

EVERYONE should have a few of these early (1962-1971) Wilson blades in their collection. Truely a beautiful looking and wonderful feeling flatstick.


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Re: The 8802
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2007, 02:27:46 PM »
Here for your viewing pleasure is a couple of fairly nice early examples of the Wilson 8802....

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2007, 02:29:53 PM »
The rest of the story...

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2007, 02:32:24 PM »
Here's an 8802 with a different flavor grip.....

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2007, 02:37:13 PM »
That's all folks...

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2007, 03:10:39 PM »
The headspeed shaft was/is tremendous.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2007, 08:26:30 PM »
After I tried my first napa. Im definitely getting one of these to game. Great accuracy!

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2007, 08:42:00 PM »
I have a Cameron AC VII which is made in the tradition of the 8802.  The original 8802 is one of the benchmark putters ever built!
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2007, 10:41:41 PM »
Either one of these beauties for sale?  I just purchased a Wislon DBAP and I already have an 8813.  I need an original '02 to round out my collection.  Thanks!

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2007, 11:02:38 AM »
Either one of these beauties for sale?  I just purchased a Wislon DBAP and I already have an 8813.  I need an original '02 to round out my collection.  Thanks!

Sorry, not at this time

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2007, 08:12:04 AM »
I'm on a hunt for an 8802 today at all the used club stores in northern ohio.

Wish me luck!
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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2007, 04:09:55 PM »
4 golf stores, and 5 "second hand sporting goods" stores...0 luck. :(
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2007, 04:19:10 PM »
We all know how many remakes of the 1964 8802 were made.  I found this tool to help me tell the originals from the remakes/fakes.  It was made by Robert Mendrella and is stamped 7/50.  This is the only surefire way to know if you are getting a real 1964 8802.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2007, 04:21:53 PM »
WOW is that cool!

I'm assuming that it's polished so it won't scratch the putter?
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2007, 04:38:15 PM »
Yeah, all of the "holes" have very smooth edges.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2007, 05:31:48 PM »
That's a tremendous tool!

We all know how many remakes of the 1964 8802 were made.  I found this tool to help me tell the originals from the remakes/fakes.  It was made by Robert Mendrella and is stamped 7/50.  This is the only surefire way to know if you are getting a real 1964 8802.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2007, 05:33:52 PM »
does scotty do something like that with his stamps?  Because there are some pretty good fakes out there so how can he distinguish so easily?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2007, 01:05:07 AM »
I might be able to get my hands on one or two of the Mendrella tools like the one pictured in my previous post.  For a simple piece of aluminum, they are not cheap.  $65 shipped if anyone if interested.

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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2007, 10:00:00 AM »
It is not that bad if a person is truly wanting a '64 8802.  The price that these command in good condition more than makes up for the $65 when a reproduction costs hundreds of dollars less.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #45 on: February 25, 2007, 10:50:13 AM »
Ok
Now you guys really have me confused, not that it takes a lot to do that....

Can anyone list a time line of what is what ... with stamping and names.

And then are there two models of the "Arnold Palmer The Original" one by Arnold Palmer and another by Callaway?


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Re: The 8802
« Reply #46 on: February 25, 2007, 03:16:03 PM »
The putters from Arnold Palmer is when he left Wilson.  The Wilson 8802 began it run, IIRC, in 1964.  The first run of 8802s were made from a mix of salvage yard metal so the original formula could never be reproduced.  Combined with the headspeed shaft the original 8802 was a tremendous feeling putter.  The putter that came before the 8802 was the "Designed by Arnold Palmer" when he was on Wilson staff.  Arnold ground down an old MacGregor Tommy Armour IMG5 and added weld on the sole to add weight.  Wilson made the DBAP and the rest is, as they say, history.  Wilson reproduced the 8802 with slight modifications but the same stampings.  There was the "Original 8802" and that was stamped accordingly.  I think this was introduced either in the late 60s or early 70s (I am thinking early 70s).  As far as timeline, I do not have it but this is a snapshot of basic 8802 history.
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« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2007, 03:35:07 PM »
Thanks for the info.  I had always heard that Arnie welded a lot of extra metal to the flange and then ground it to shape and weight.  That's why the Wilson Designed By has a larger flange than any of the Armour Ironmasters.  A few pictures of the one that started it all for Wilson. 

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2007, 12:01:42 PM »
I might be able to get my hands on one or two of the Mendrella tools like the one pictured in my previous post.  For a simple piece of aluminum, they are not cheap.  $65 shipped if anyone if interested.

EMail sent.  I'd love one.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2007, 02:03:50 PM »
Weeice, what leads you to believe these templates were made by Robert Mendrella ?

You know there were actually two different size (thickness) of toplines for the early Wilson blades. I'm talking about the Arnold Palmer types and the 8802/8813 manufactured between 1962 and 1971. 1971 being the last year of the really good 8802 and 8813's.

What is the width of the topline on your gauge?