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bryandlewis

The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« on: June 11, 2009, 11:34:59 AM »
To all you 8802 fans,

I have put together my first draft of my 8802 Identification Guide.  Please forgive my weak HTML skills.

I have identified 15 different versions of putters Wilson has labeled "8802".  I have included a picture of each, some of which you may find familiar.  If I have used a picture of yours and you would like it removed, just let me know.  I'd like to get better time-lines of when each model was produced.  A lot of my information is incomplete, so any additions or corrections you have would be appreciated.  The purpose of this is to help all of us better identify clubs that we come across, especially those who might be new collectors.

http://thewilson8802.dyndns.org/glp/pages/Wilson8802IdentificationGuide/Wilson8802IdentificationGuide.htm

Bryan

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2009, 12:15:51 PM »
There were a variety of leather color grips on the early 1960s models - the fat paddle that I have is a brown grip.  They were not all black.

The 1970-71 black chrome that i have had a Headspeed stepped shaft with a 6" first step and the black and silver band.  It was not stepless.

You might denote the editions that were roll stamped (1960s and 1970s).

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 12:18:24 PM »
Might as well start this chronology with the Wilson Arnold Palmer (1962) and the Designed by Arnold Palmer (1963)

Might add the copper plated version too:
http://www.puttertalk.com/community/index.php/topic,7402.0.html

You could also note which models have the concave back, and the differences in the top line thickness in addition to face height.
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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2009, 12:50:51 PM »
Thanks for the info!  I will add the info on the colored fat paddle grips.

On the Black Chrome, was your shaft shiny chrome stepped like the 1964 8802 or dull like the black painted model?  I put stepless fluted on that because I there is one on ebay right now that has a wrap leather grip on what looks like the dull fluted shaft.  You don't see many Black Chrome ones, so my knowledge is limited!  Thanks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wilson-8802-putter-Black-Gun-Metal-finish-All-Original_W0QQitemZ320380773558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a982ea4b6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

I thought about adding the AP and DBAP, but then I'd need to get into the 8813, 8823's, etc.  Also, the Arnold Palmer models are not difficult to identify!  I'm thinking of adding separate pages for the Arnold Palmer models, 8813 and 8823.  For now I limited myself to those labeled 8802.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2009, 01:26:16 PM »
Hi Brian,

Great idea, the Wilson 8802 I have is a very thinly written The Wilson 8802, in no colour (might well have been removed) it has the black and silver wrap frip with the wilson flag on the end but also has a black Head Speed shaftband.

Will get some pictures sorted. not entiorely sure where mine fits into this. any ideas????


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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 01:33:51 PM »
Looking more closely it possibly falls into this category
Deep Face 8802 (1976-77)
- deep face, flat topline
- black leather grip with silver thread (thin)
- shield endcap
- stepped shaft
- silver Head Speed shaftband

One question is how deep is the 'deep face'? in inches/cm's etc?

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 02:49:27 PM »
Thanks for the info!  I will add the info on the colored fat paddle grips.

On the Black Chrome, was your shaft shiny chrome stepped like the 1964 8802 or dull like the black painted model?  I put stepless fluted on that because I there is one on ebay right now that has a wrap leather grip on what looks like the dull fluted shaft.  You don't see many Black Chrome ones, so my knowledge is limited!  Thanks!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wilson-8802-putter-Black-Gun-Metal-finish-All-Original_W0QQitemZ320380773558QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a982ea4b6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

I thought about adding the AP and DBAP, but then I'd need to get into the 8813, 8823's, etc.  Also, the Arnold Palmer models are not difficult to identify!  I'm thinking of adding separate pages for the Arnold Palmer models, 8813 and 8823.  For now I limited myself to those labeled 8802.

I neglected to say that it's great that you are doing this.

I will send you some grip pictures, and some micrometer measurements of the topline, face depth, etc. ... it may take me a while to get to it though.

Re. the headspeed shaft on the 1971 black chrome: it is chrome and stepped just like the 1960s head speed shafts that have shorter 6" first step, black and silver band, instead of the green and red band, leather wrap grip with black and silver piping.

The earliest 8802s followed directly from the DBAPs, same exact putter only with different sole stamp. That's why I thought you could list them as the predecessors.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 02:53:18 PM »
One question is how deep is the 'deep face'? in inches/cm's etc?

The 1964 8802 and the Arnold Palmer's are exactly 7/8 of an inch wide in the center of the face.  The "Deep Face" models are closer to a full inch.  I don't have one here to measure.  Maybe someone else can help me.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 03:00:13 PM »
I neglected to say that it's great that you are doing this.

I will send you some grip pictures, and some micrometer measurements of the topline, face depth, etc. ... it may take me a while to get to it though.

Re. the headspeed shaft on the 1971 black chrome: it is chrome and stepped just like the 1960s head speed shafts that have shorter 6" first step, black and silver band, instead of the green and red band, leather wrap grip with black and silver piping.

The earliest 8802s followed directly from the DBAPs, same exact putter only with different sole stamp. That's why I thought you could list them as the predecessors.

Thanks!  I've wanted to do this for a long time but never got around to it and didn't know if anyone cared.  Nice to find other "fans" out there to motivate me!

I would love your pictures and data.  I'd like the give more detailed information and pictures on each model that a person could "drill down" to get.  I'm thinking this first page is just the first step!

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 03:47:47 PM »
Totally with drew on this one, I think this is a great idea Bryan, and can see it advancing on from the 8802 with DBAP and 8813 and who knows from there! I'll get a photo's of mine together and post them. Nice one!

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 08:18:19 PM »
Very nice work Bryan!

Look forward to "draft 2" with Drew's input. 

When this is finished, consider letting us host it on the PT server for preservation and member access in the future. 

John

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 08:35:20 PM »
I just dug up on old 8802 from my garage and have no idea about these putters.  If it has a green triangle head speed shaft band with "The Wilson 8802" does that mean it is the original?

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 09:32:03 PM »
I just dug up on old 8802 from my garage and have no idea about these putters.  If it has a green triangle head speed shaft band with "The Wilson 8802" does that mean it is the original?

Yes, it likely is an original 1964 8802!  Lucky you!  Take some pictures of the head and post them.  What does the grip look like?

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 09:36:16 PM »
I replaced the grip a few years ago as I was not aware that these putters had any value.  I will take some pics this weekend.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2009, 10:09:07 PM »
Update - I added a link off the first page to a detailed page on the 1964 8802.  I included the high quality pictures from BladeJunkie as they are simply the best pictures of the best 8802's I've seen.  I hope this is ok with you.  I did give credit.

A direct link is here: 
http://thewilson8802.dyndns.org/glp/pages/Wilson8802IdentificationGuide/Wilson8802_1964.htm

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2009, 01:49:26 PM »
Blade Junkie is The Man.

I am off to take some pictures now.

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Flags Endcap
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2009, 02:38:23 PM »
Flags Endcap

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Recurve and arched top line
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2009, 02:41:37 PM »
Shows recurve of back and shape of topline
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Rare double-stamped sole
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2009, 02:46:51 PM »
This is a rare double-stamped sole on a first generation 8802.

The shallow stamping gives a clear indication of the shape of the stamps

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Brown Fat Paddle Grip with Silver thread
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2009, 02:51:05 PM »
Here's an example of the Brown Fat paddle grip with silver thread, with a macro shot of the embossed pattern on the grip.

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Embossed Fat Paddle Grip
« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2009, 02:57:16 PM »
Here's an example of an embossed fat paddle grip on an early 8802, and a macro shot showing the detail of the pattern on the grip

bryandlewis

Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2009, 03:17:53 PM »
Wow!  Those are great pictures!  I've never seen those color grips before.  Does anyone know all the varieties of colors the fat paddles came in?

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2009, 06:05:47 PM »
Here's an example of an embossed fat paddle grip on an early 8802, and a macro shot showing the detail of the pattern on the grip

I hate you and your collection, lol, so jealous, I want dibs on that 8802 if you decide to sell it

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2009, 07:32:29 PM »
how about some info on the tour specials? i have what has to be an early one . leather grip and more offset than the other special 1,s i have seen

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2009, 11:51:19 AM »
Here is another 8802/DBAP fat paddle style grip on a head speed... this one has seen some shrinkage.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2009, 10:47:54 AM »
Well, I finally took some pics this weekend.  Putter does not have the original grip, but from what I can tell (and I don't know much) this is one of the original 8802s.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2009, 08:23:30 PM »
..it kinda looks like it might be a rechrome??
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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2009, 08:52:17 PM »
What makes you say that?  I thought it was just some surface rust.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2009, 09:54:54 PM »
I agree on the rechrome.  It's kind of shiny for an original.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2009, 09:59:59 PM »
What makes you say that?  I thought it was just some surface rust.
originals did not have shiny chrome..it was more like a satin finish..I could be wrong on
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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2009, 11:48:13 PM »
There is alot more I need to learn about these putters.  So, is this an original that has been refinished or a remake?

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2009, 11:22:59 AM »
There is alot more I need to learn about these putters.  So, is this an original that has been refinished or a remake?

Original that looks to be refinished.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2009, 07:17:26 AM »
Anyone agree with making this topic a sticky?

Nice job on compiling the 8802, bryandlewis!  (and all others who were instrumental in this endeavor)
Read it, roll it, hole it.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2009, 03:32:21 PM »
Good idea Doug, nice one Bryan great thread

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2009, 03:40:26 PM »
Thanks.  You guys are too kind!  Now I need to find some time to expand my pages.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2009, 01:19:48 PM »
I have a request for anyone who has a "deep faced" 8802 from the 70's.  I would like some decent pictures to put together a separate page dedicated to this model.  I think this page will be very important because they are the clubs most often confused with the 1964 8802.

I am working on a separate page for the black painted model which I will have up soon.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2009, 08:19:54 PM »
Check your email tonight buddy, will take pics in a few for ya

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2009, 12:57:40 PM »
Remarkable job Bryan.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2009, 07:41:33 AM »
Bryan,
Thanks for taking the time to make the list.  Very nice!

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2009, 02:08:16 PM »
You are all too kind!  :)  Thank you for the compliments!

I have now added a page for the Deep Faced 8802.  It is linked off the main Identification Guide page, but here it is directly.  Corrections are welcome!  Thank you to those who provided me pictures!

http://thewilson8802.dyndns.org/glp/pages/Wilson8802IdentificationGuide/Wilson8802_DeepFace.htm

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2009, 05:22:06 PM »
Bryan, the website is looking GREAT!!!

Thanks for including my deep-face 8802.
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Wilson: "The 8802" Deep Face

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2009, 03:14:21 PM »
If i win an auction tonight I will have another version of the milled 8802 that I havent' see before

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2009, 11:52:10 AM »
Links to Bryan's site seem to be dead.  Anyone heard from him lately?

See why we want to have everything stored on PT's servers?

John

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2009, 12:13:53 PM »
John,

Yes, I see it is dead.  Darn.  I'll get it up and running again.  I have no problem putting things on the PutterTalk servers if you'll show me how.

Bryan

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #44 on: November 25, 2009, 12:20:43 PM »
Bryan!  Glad to see you are still active.  Thanks for checking on your site. 

I'll have Doug get in touch about having your 8802 Guide put on PT, as we did with Lumpy's Ping book.

John

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2009, 07:48:43 PM »
I was able to track down the problem.  The IP address in the DNS entry was wrong.  I've updated it, so all should work fine shortly.

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #46 on: December 11, 2009, 12:43:33 AM »
 how do I get to the identification guide that Bryan put together? The linked doesn't open for me.

edited to remove FS post
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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #47 on: December 11, 2009, 10:08:03 AM »
I want to sell my 8802 & 8813. how do I get to the identification guide that Bryan put together? The linked doesn't open for me.

http://www.puttertalk.com/community/index.php?topic=16507.0

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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2011, 04:01:42 PM »
Can anyone help me identify if this is an original 8802 or remake? It has a black/gold head speed shaft label with 02J on it and first step is ~8.25" above hosel. Does not have original grip. Face height is exactly size of a nickel. What is the value? It is LH so is it more rare or not? Thanks for your help. 
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Re: The Wilson 8802 Identification Guide - First Draft
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2011, 07:18:42 PM »
Deja vu.

1980s remake - Wilson made a portsider model which was the early lefty blade.

Check ebay completed listings for value, but somewhere between $40 and $100.