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Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« on: April 15, 2018, 02:08:36 PM »
There is one on eBay for only $2299.00. Byron's putters are going up in value.  :o
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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2018, 01:13:42 AM »
There is one on eBay for only $2299.00. Byron's putters are going up in value.  :o

Anyone who’s asked Byron for a quote on a Damascus putter before knows that $2300 isn’t an unfair price.

I saw this one in person, just before he shipped it out... it’s absolutely incredible!

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2018, 01:25:34 PM »
Is this "welded Damascus"? Yes, it is beautiful but why? I don't have wall space for putters. I cannot see paying that much money for something designed to get the ball in the hole on a putting green. I feel the same about Tiger's backup Cameron selling for 44K too. But that is just me. Someone else might think it is a super deal. A sword made out of Damascus would make a lot more sense since it's famous properties are aimed at making it super hard. American stainless steel work just great for me and I can get two or three great custom made putters for the same price. JMHO
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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2018, 01:47:01 PM »
Is this "welded Damascus"? Yes, it is beautiful but why? I don't have wall space for putters. I cannot see paying that much money for something designed to get the ball in the hole on a putting green. I feel the same about Tiger's backup Cameron selling for 44K too. But that is just me. Someone else might think it is a super deal. A sword made out of Damascus would make a lot more sense since it's famous properties are aimed at making it super hard. American stainless steel work just great for me and I can get two or three great custom made putters for the same price. JMHO

This is a beautifully crafted piece of functional art, in the form of a putter... Not a putting tool that just turned out to look cool.

The people who are in the market for this type of putter:
1. Appreciate the craftsmanship
2. Like having something different
3. Recognize the collectability of it
4. Have enough disposable income to where this isn't a huge purchase for them

You are clearly not the target market for this piece... and there's nothing wrong with that.  Neither am I (number 4 gets me every time!).

But if you want something "designed to get the ball in the hole on a putting green" just snag a Cleveland HB series putter for $100 and call it a day... but you didn't do that.  You have an American stainless steel milled putter, which cost a lot more than that.  You saw value in that purchase that a lot of other people wouldn't understand.

It's the same thing... just at a different level.

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2018, 02:11:51 PM »
The DH-89 Byron made for me is a putter I appreciate and think the quality is amazing and beautiful. The next one will be the same or better for me. You are 100% correct that I am not for this extreme market but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the beauty. For me function trumps beauty and I feel mine have both in the putters I own. That's the balance I have been looking for and have found here.  :)
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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2018, 04:20:20 PM »
Another thing to add...just because it's listed at $2300 doesn't necessarily mean it will sell at or near that number...

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2018, 02:23:26 AM »
Can someone please post the link, I can’t find it from eBay Australia - thanks. 👍

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2018, 07:27:45 AM »
Is this "welded Damascus"? Yes, it is beautiful but why? I don't have wall space for putters. I cannot see paying that much money for something designed to get the ball in the hole on a putting green. I feel the same about Tiger's backup Cameron selling for 44K too. But that is just me. Someone else might think it is a super deal. A sword made out of Damascus would make a lot more sense since it's famous properties are aimed at making it super hard. American stainless steel work just great for me and I can get two or three great custom made putters for the same price. JMHO
Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Byron-Morgan-Damascus-B17/282925418433?hash=item41dfab47c1:g:mSAAAOSwwBha0oXA

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2018, 05:49:20 PM »
Let me explain my original post. From what I have read the original Damascus steel formula and technique was lost long ago. In 1981 Duke University claims to have stumbled onto the way they were made by accident. I don't know if that is definitive or not. There is a way called "welded Damascus Steel" which I asked about in my first post but never received an answer.

1. I don't need a Damascus or solid gold putter from Byron to appreciate his skill. I have shown my DH-89 to several pros I know and all thought it was an amazing putter which I agree. I saw Byron's work and immediately recognized his talent.
2. Having a custom made Byron Morgan putter IS having something different regardless of the metal used.
3. I cannot verify the collectability with golf in decline. Also, I don't collect anything golf related I don't or cannot use.
4. No problem.

So my original question is unanswered and I have been playing golf for 58 years. I have picked up a little knowledge over those years.

I just posted a comment trying to get more discussions since this is basically the only golf forum I post anymore and I would like to see it a little more active.  ;D 
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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2018, 07:19:32 PM »
- Warning - The following post comes from a place of extreme ignorance and extreme logic, as I have no clue about the Damascus steel creation process.

Weld
verb
1. Join together (metal pieces or parts) by heating the surfaces to the point of melting using a blowtorch, electric arc, or other means, and uniting them by pressing, hammering, etc.
2. Cause to combine and form a harmonious or effective whole.

Since Damascus is a crap-ton (that may, or may not, be a scientific method of measurement) of different layers of steel, that have been joined together to form a single piece; wouldn't that make all damascus steel "welded"?

Logically, yes... I think?

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2018, 07:38:19 PM »
- Warning - The following post comes from a place of extreme ignorance and extreme logic, as I have no clue about the Damascus steel creation process.

Weld
verb
1. Join together (metal pieces or parts) by heating the surfaces to the point of melting using a blowtorch, electric arc, or other means, and uniting them by pressing, hammering, etc.
2. Cause to combine and form a harmonious or effective whole.

Since Damascus is a crap-ton (that may, or may not, be a scientific method of measurement) of different layers of steel, that have been joined together to form a single piece; wouldn't that make all damascus steel "welded"?

Logically, yes... I think?

NO.
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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2018, 07:55:51 PM »
- Warning - The following post comes from a place of extreme ignorance and extreme logic, as I have no clue about the Damascus steel creation process.

Weld
verb
1. Join together (metal pieces or parts) by heating the surfaces to the point of melting using a blowtorch, electric arc, or other means, and uniting them by pressing, hammering, etc.
2. Cause to combine and form a harmonious or effective whole.

Since Damascus is a crap-ton (that may, or may not, be a scientific method of measurement) of different layers of steel, that have been joined together to form a single piece; wouldn't that make all damascus steel "welded"?

Logically, yes... I think?

NO.

What an informative and substance filled post by someone who just said they are "trying to get more discussions" a couple posts back.

I do, however, appreciate the irony of this response coming from someone who took the time to put that Elon Musk quote in their signature.


Cheers,

Mike

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2018, 08:29:27 PM »
Why are you trying to start and argument? Your negative attitude is not appreciated. I assumed you knew something about Damascus Steel since your first reply. I am sorry I assumed that and you are making me sorry for trying to start an intelligent conversation. I'm done with this post so reply away. I suggest some research so you will understand the subject instead of trying to make this about me. This is why I don't bother with golf forums anymore. It is just not enjoyable thanks to some. 
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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2018, 09:28:17 PM »
Why are you trying to start and argument? Your negative attitude is not appreciated. I assumed you knew something about Damascus Steel since your first reply. I am sorry I assumed that and you are making me sorry for trying to start an intelligent conversation. I'm done with this post so reply away. I suggest some research so you will understand the subject instead of trying to make this about me. This is why I don't bother with golf forums anymore. It is just not enjoyable thanks to some.
He was just trying to help. No need be so overly sensitive.  :o

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2018, 10:34:39 PM »
Wow I just looked at the listing. The sole is insane. The grain looks like something out of the X Files intro haha.

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2018, 03:40:21 AM »
Anyone know what the P on the sole indicates?

This poor baby has been around. I had someone on WRX ask me if I was interested in her a little while back and it was the P that put me off.

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Re: Byron Morgan Damascus B17
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2018, 11:51:04 PM »
- Warning - The following post comes from a place of extreme ignorance and extreme logic, as I have no clue about the Damascus steel creation process.

Weld
verb
1. Join together (metal pieces or parts) by heating the surfaces to the point of melting using a blowtorch, electric arc, or other means, and uniting them by pressing, hammering, etc.
2. Cause to combine and form a harmonious or effective whole.

Since Damascus is a crap-ton (that may, or may not, be a scientific method of measurement) of different layers of steel, that have been joined together to form a single piece; wouldn't that make all damascus steel "welded"?

Logically, yes... I think?

Correct. Modern day pattern welded steel ("Damascus" steel) is generally forge welded. They take different types of steel heat them and use pressure (hammer, hydraulic press etc) to forge the layers together.