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stamping question
« on: June 09, 2017, 06:53:39 PM »
Just curious about something. 

A friend special ordered a Cameron putter, paid the standard high dollar rate to do so. 

When she told them what she wanted stamped on the face, they told her no with some excuse that they would only stamp 4 letters. 

The word she wanted has 5 letters.  She finally got what she wanted, but not without a fight and her considerable powers of persuasion.

Seriously ?  No more than 4 letters ?  WHY !??
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Re: stamping question
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2017, 07:15:33 PM »
 As you know, I have a fair collection of early Camerons but am certainly not one of their apologists. Bad customer service, pure and simple. The fact that it was possible and in fact done eventually proves that they were just being difficult. There are many complaints about their level of service, unfortunately these days, they seem to believe their own PR and have forgotten what the words Customer SERVICE mean. In business I have always made it a policy to under promise and over deliver but it appears recently that The Custom Shop do the opposite.

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2017, 04:22:49 AM »
As you know, I have a fair collection of early Camerons but am certainly not one of their apologists. Bad customer service, pure and simple. The fact that it was possible and in fact done eventually proves that they were just being difficult. There are many complaints about their level of service, unfortunately these days, they seem to believe their own PR and have forgotten what the words Customer SERVICE mean. In business I have always made it a policy to under promise and over deliver but it appears recently that The Custom Shop do the opposite.

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2017, 06:53:27 AM »
Obviously with my collection, I have been a member over there for a while, and while I have  quite a few great friends on there; the site just does not have the camaraderie I find on here.

I can assure you TJ that your comments wouldn't even raise an eyebrow recently - the mistakes from the Custom Shop and subsequent public complaints are endemic. Even the most die hard apologists are finding their performance indefensible.

The Cameron servers fell over again this week, as they did for the Master's releases basically ensuring that their members are paying their yearly fee and getting nothing for it.

Does not concern me as I do not buy from them - their shipping fees are ludicrous and I am not putting the boot in BUT they really don't seem to get 'Business 101' right. Lately, there are just as many negative stories coming out as positive which is just indicative of poor infrastructure, apathetic staff or both.

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 12:20:12 AM »
Serious ?!?!

WOW! things have changed! My other blasphemy was to make a comment/comparison between the 009 and PING Scottsdale Anser.
The HUGE news was always the releases, IMHO they along with the Cameron Club Paraphernalia became less and less imaginative.
Funny now that am older and more financially independent , the attraction is less and less, did keep my Beached Center Shafted Prototype which I bought for $180 at Nevada Bob's and a TEI3 only because of sentimental reasons.

Your business model is one which is a rarity these days.
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Re: stamping question
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2017, 02:33:09 AM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 03:03:34 AM »
Rob,

Can't agree with you more!

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 03:57:40 AM »
Rob,

Can't agree with you more!
Thanks Marco - I know you have great taste mate!!!  ;D

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 12:36:48 PM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2017, 08:36:13 PM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

I will, thats the stupidest thing ever. How can he even make that video with a straight face

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2017, 03:40:15 AM »
Oh you boys!!!

I was trying to erase all knowledge of the 'putter leash' from my memory!  >:(

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2017, 03:54:04 AM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

What is this "putter leash" you speak of? Serious! Never heard of it! Hope it does not bring back traumatic memories !

Wonder what or how much it would take to get the phantom video?
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Re: stamping question
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2017, 09:08:52 AM »
I'd never heard of the leash before, so I had to google it. Seems like a weird idea, and in my many years of golfing with headcovers, I never would have needed a leash for them. They didn't have the tendency to walk off from me.

Oh, well. C'est la vie.

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2017, 04:51:39 PM »
Rob well said...

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2017, 09:04:56 AM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

What is this "putter leash" you speak of? Serious! Never heard of it! Hope it does not bring back traumatic memories !

Wonder what or how much it would take to get the phantom video?



Here's a link to the video.  It  almost beats out the Phantom I think. Or its a close race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVCy2MzDacU/

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2017, 09:42:32 AM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob


I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

What is this "putter leash" you speak of? Serious! Never heard of it! Hope it does not bring back traumatic memories !

Wonder what or how much it would take to get the phantom video?



Here's a link to the video.  It  almost beats out the Phantom I think. Or its a close race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVCy2MzDacU/

Hahahahahahahahaha

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2017, 10:54:20 PM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

What is this "putter leash" you speak of? Serious! Never heard of it! Hope it does not bring back traumatic memories !

Wonder what or how much it would take to get the phantom video?



Here's a link to the video.  It  almost beats out the Phantom I think. Or its a close race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVCy2MzDacU/

$40-$60 bucks on eBay,,,,,

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2017, 07:27:13 AM »
Oh the humanity!  ;D
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2017, 12:20:33 PM »
Well said Rob.
I probably have around 50-60 Cameron's, mostly older models.  Everything from 009's to Bullseyes.  I used to love hunting down old, carbon putters, send then to the custom shop, and watch them come back with a new finish and spotless.  Between the huge cost increases, the lack of decent offerings, the discontinuing of original finishes, shaftbands, and covers, and the horrible customer service, I no longer use them - which has taken away one of the things I loved about the hobby.
You're right about the tables turning over on TCC too.  Even many of the apologists have had bad experiences, or at least stay quiet when people complain. 
I haven't been over there in quite awhile.  Just needed a break.
Glad I missed the latest fiasco on release day.  You would think they would have their $hit together on that website by now.  The last 2 times I tried buying something on a release day I got locked out by the website.  Just too much traffic and the system obviously can't handle it.  Too many Club members (flippers) now and the fun is gone.   Sad......

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2017, 07:53:41 AM »
Hello Terry,

As usual we are on the same page mate - right down to the putters  :)

I agree with all you have said. So many shameless 'flippers' over there now - and brazenly trying to justify it in threads. Seems all the posts there are the same these days: "how much is this worth?", "is this a fake?", "What's the newest ugly headcover and why can't I get it?!" - and the only fun I get is helping newbies out with questions.

For all the reasons you stated and which I agree with, Cameron collecting is nowhere near as much fun as it used to be. Rather a little sad to be honest - BUT - the flip side is I have been recently acquiring some absolute beauties from other great OEMs  and I know you are a man after my own heart and like to share the love around too.  :)

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2017, 05:48:25 AM »
Rob
Like you I agree with many of the posts on here. I enjoyed the old days of going on TCC to find out the history of certain putters etc and to ask for advice. Now it's just very commercialised  and lacks the feel of a collectors site. The flippers have always annoyed the hell out of me and being a Napa fan I'm not likely to see Scotty produce another one anytime soon. So time to start looking elsewhere.
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Re: stamping question
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2017, 06:50:02 AM »
Rob
Like you I agree with many of the posts on here. I enjoyed the old days of going on TCC to find out the history of certain putters etc and to ask for advice. Now it's just very commercialised  and lacks the feel of a collectors site. The flippers have always annoyed the hell out of me and being a Napa fan I'm not likely to see Scotty produce another one anytime soon. So time to start looking elsewhere.
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Hello Martin,

Agree mate - it does not have the feel of a collector's site anymore. Mind you, I think a lot of the cause for this is also the output. I really don't think they have manufactured anything in the last 5 years that is actually collectible. As you know, like yourself, I am a 8802 / Napa / Blade guy and find the recent offerings just plain ugly. I am also somewhat of a traditionalist and naming a Mallet the Newport 3 left a very nasty smell in my nose. (Speaking of - I have added a few beauties to my collection thread here I know you will like).

I wasn't able to find out a lot about the Kronos offerings, how did you go - any joy?

Make sure you check in here my friend; take care, talk soon.  :)

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 09:47:13 AM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

OMFG!  Are you kidding me?  What a worthless piece of marketing "genius".  My putter cover either goes in the basket of the cart (if I am riding) or over my umbrella handle if I am carrying my bag.  I have no need for such a worthless gimmick like this one.  Further more, the last thing I need is to have a putter cover swaying on my butt when I am putting.  That would be a distraction and my feeble mind would wander ...... Squirrel!
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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2017, 09:48:16 AM »
Have a look at the latest US Open Headcover release - a 3D Cow Head. I kid you not; it may appeal to some, but I certainly am not one of them! You probably saw in my collection thread, my headcovers, like my Cameron putters are all what I call the 'the purty ones' and you are correct, they aren't making them like that anymore - putters or headcovers.

Rob

I can't believe someone hasn't mentioned the Putter leash  :)

What is this "putter leash" you speak of? Serious! Never heard of it! Hope it does not bring back traumatic memories !

Wonder what or how much it would take to get the phantom video?


Here's a link to the video.  It  almost beats out the Phantom I think. Or its a close race.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BVCy2MzDacU/


No, Phantom still wins!  That was an epic video!  "Everyone ... perfect"
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2017, 10:01:33 AM »
I have owned 15 Cameron putters during my "collecting"/gaming career, all older styled putters.  Over time I sold putters to fund newer ones.  My Camerons have been either OTRs or Limited editions.  I currently have only one Cameron putter in my collection, a second go around of the same Limited edition putter (American Classic VII).  I love the DBAP/8802 styled putter and believe the AC VII was probably the finest rendition Cameron produced.  There is absolutely nothing that draws me to the current OTR offerings of the Cameron stable.  The 009 is a nice putter but I would rather buy several Byron Morgan DH89s for the price of one 009.  This putter is just as good and I can get the design, stamping and finish I want on it and know Byron worked on it.  While Cameron hasn't worked on public offering putters in who knows how long, the limitation of what is being offered, whether new or restoration options, makes the Cameron line less flexible and for many not a desired collectors path to take. 

The beauty of PutterTalk is that so many smaller putter makers are able to reach true golf equipment enthusiasts like ourselves.  I proudly discuss my putters with anyone I am playing with because of interests they have with them.  Most will not pay the price to buy a reasonable custom built putter ($500-$1000) but the response is always how beautiful my gamers are.  And they are truly works of art.  While I am not endorsing Cameron of his putters, this is the way most of us felt in the 90s when Cameron putters first hit the market.  This is his roots and maybe where he should think about returning to.  Gimmicks are like fads, they will come and go but classics last a lifetime.
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2017, 08:19:28 PM »
I have owned 15 Cameron putters during my "collecting"/gaming career, all older styled putters.  Over time I sold putters to fund newer ones.  My Camerons have been either OTRs or Limited editions.  I currently have only one Cameron putter in my collection, a second go around of the same Limited edition putter (American Classic VII).  I love the DBAP/8802 styled putter and believe the AC VII was probably the finest rendition Cameron produced.  There is absolutely nothing that draws me to the current OTR offerings of the Cameron stable.  The 009 is a nice putter but I would rather buy several Byron Morgan DH89s for the price of one 009.  This putter is just as good and I can get the design, stamping and finish I want on it and know Byron worked on it.  While Cameron hasn't worked on public offering putters in who knows how long, the limitation of what is being offered, whether new or restoration options, makes the Cameron line less flexible and for many not a desired collectors path to take. 

The beauty of PutterTalk is that so many smaller putter makers are able to reach true golf equipment enthusiasts like ourselves.  I proudly discuss my putters with anyone I am playing with because of interests they have with them.  Most will not pay the price to buy a reasonable custom built putter ($500-$1000) but the response is always how beautiful my gamers are.  And they are truly works of art.  While I am not endorsing Cameron of his putters, this is the way most of us felt in the 90s when Cameron putters first hit the market.  This is his roots and maybe where he should think about returning to.  Gimmicks are like fads, they will come and go but classics last a lifetime.
Well said Sam, I couldn't agree more with you mate. Much more diversity to be found over here and folks are a lot friendlier and more knowledgeable than WRX.

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Re: stamping question
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2017, 09:51:42 AM »
Rob, thank you!   I do have one question (not golf related).  How does the toilet water spin when flushed south of the equator?  I've never had a first hand account of this.  Toilet water flushes clockwise north of the equator.   :D

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2017, 01:00:01 AM »
Ha ha - here you go Sam:

The direction of motion is caused by the Coriolis effect. This can be visualized if you imagine putting a pan of water on a turntable and then spinning the turntable in a counterclockwise direction, the direction in which the earth rotates as seen from above the north pole. The water on the bottom of the pan will be dragged counterclockwise direction slightly faster than the water at the surface, giving the water an apparent clockwise spin in the pan. But if you were to look at the water in the pan from below, corresponding to seeing it from the south pole, it would appear to be spinning in a counterclockwise direction. Likewise, the rotation of the earth gives rise to an effect that tends to accelerate draining water in a clockwise direction in the Northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Southern.

I have also worked out how to identify and measure 'Dark Matter / Energy' what it's for and our place in the Cosmos! Marvellous what one can work out after a comedy gig, lying awake in bed ha ha :-)

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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2017, 09:29:02 AM »
Ha ha - here you go Sam:

The direction of motion is caused by the Coriolis effect. This can be visualized if you imagine putting a pan of water on a turntable and then spinning the turntable in a counterclockwise direction, the direction in which the earth rotates as seen from above the north pole. The water on the bottom of the pan will be dragged counterclockwise direction slightly faster than the water at the surface, giving the water an apparent clockwise spin in the pan. But if you were to look at the water in the pan from below, corresponding to seeing it from the south pole, it would appear to be spinning in a counterclockwise direction. Likewise, the rotation of the earth gives rise to an effect that tends to accelerate draining water in a clockwise direction in the Northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the Southern.

I have also worked out how to identify and measure 'Dark Matter / Energy' what it's for and our place in the Cosmos! Marvellous what one can work out after a comedy gig, lying awake in bed ha ha :-)

Take care my friend.  :)

Rob

Thanks for the explanation Rob!  I guess I will eventually have to travel down under to see the effect myself.  Of course I am certain there are some outstanding golf courses and other sites to see in Australia!  Take care my friend!
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