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Re: The 8802
« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2007, 05:24:49 PM »
wow.. interesting posts. I've skimmed most..
my 8802 says "MILLED" on the face... can anybody
give me some details on it's history? I'm assuming it's
not the $1000 1964 original.. since I pulled it out of a
barrel for about $8.  I was thinking of refinishing it with
black ox (3X?) and some nice orig. paintfill.  Any thoughts?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #101 on: August 28, 2007, 10:59:58 PM »
Anyone out there have a nice original 8802 for sale?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #102 on: October 16, 2007, 06:10:43 PM »
Anyone out there have a nice original 8802 for sale?

Email or PM me and let me know what your looking for.

Jack

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2008, 10:53:33 PM »
I thought I'd keep this thread running - so much good information in it.

I came across this in a second hand store today - it appears to be in good shape, and is all original.  It does pass the nickel test with flying colors.  Can anyone offer any additional information regarding this putter, or point me in the right direction?  Another member (thanks oldmannoodles!) surmised this appears to be a 60's version, which blew me away, and I'm curious as to how I could verify.

I snagged a few other putters in the process, the 8802 is the one in the middle when the pic displays more than one putter.  It (8802) had a baseball bat type wrap grip on it when I purchased it.  It came off easily and displayed the original grip (in next post).

My initial post regarding this (and other) putters is below.  Thought I would re-post in here to see if additional information could be found - i.e. where could I find one of those 8802 guage plates?

http://www.puttertalk.com/community/index.php/topic,9911.msg117682.html#msg117682

Any help is appreciated!

Thanks - Doug.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2008, 10:58:50 PM by JelUltra »
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2008, 10:56:46 PM »
Pics of the original grip after I peeled off the wrap:
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #105 on: November 17, 2008, 06:34:37 AM »
Sorry for the crummy pic (best I could do at 6:30 am) here is a toe-on shot:
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #106 on: November 17, 2008, 11:36:35 AM »
Nice snag Douger!! I'm looking for all original 8802 and 8813 if anyone has them they want to move. I have one exactly like yours but the Wilson is in black, what does that tell anyone? The "S" and "O" are connected; the writing is just like yours. It has a brown Genuine Neumann leather wrap grip, first step is about 8 1/4 with a total of four on the Head Speed shaft. It has the same cap as the one above. Can anyone tell me something about this putter?

Thanks!  Prich - if you have an 8802 with the original grip and the shaft first step is 8-1/4" it looks like you've got one of the EARLY models of the 8802:

http://www.puttertalk.com/community/index.php/topic,7798.msg95495.html#msg95495

Is the shaftband in good shape?  Share some pics with us if you have a moment!
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #107 on: November 17, 2008, 03:02:46 PM »
Nice snag Douger!! I'm looking for all original 8802 and 8813 if anyone has them they want to move. I have one exactly like yours but the Wilson is in black, what does that tell anyone? The "S" and "O" are connected; the writing is just like yours. It has a brown Genuine Neumann leather wrap grip, first step is about 8 1/4 with a total of four on the Head Speed shaft. It has the same cap as the one above. Can anyone tell me something about this putter?

Prich,

What is the height of the face, measured at the sweetspot?

It will measure 7/8", 15/16" or 1"


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Re: The 8802
« Reply #108 on: November 17, 2008, 05:00:21 PM »
Prich -

Does yours have a Wilson Staff crest (as opposed to the blue and red flags) on the end cap?

To the best of my knowledge, Neumann leather wasn't around in the 1960s.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2008, 01:45:40 PM »
I have two 8813's with the Wilson Staff crest on the sole and end caps, one is in black and one is in red on the sole?? Both have fluted head speed shafts and original grips (Black w/ silver thread). What is the story with these. The "S" and the "O" are not connected on either putter? Thanks for your help!

Prich
Does either have a site dot and an extremely light head?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2008, 11:31:06 PM »
Prich:

I think I'm correct in saying that the originals had the "s" and "o" connected.  The later remakes did not. 

Doug:  I have an extra 8802 gauge plate if you are interested.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #111 on: December 06, 2008, 12:35:21 AM »
Prich:

I think I'm correct in saying that the originals had the "s" and "o" connected.  The later remakes did not. 

Doug:  I have an extra 8802 gauge plate if you are interested.

The originals did have the S and O connected.  I had an 8813 that was original that was like this.
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Byron Morgan Epic Day Long Pipe CU plate
Byron Morgan DH89x GSS
Byron Morgan SS DaKine 8812
Byron Morgan Designed by Captain Morgan, CU SS
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TP Mills Heritage
Scotty Cameron American Classic VII
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #112 on: December 06, 2008, 05:56:08 AM »
Prich:

I think I'm correct in saying that the originals had the "s" and "o" connected.  The later remakes did not. 

Doug:  I have an extra 8802 gauge plate if you are interested.

Thanks - PM Sent.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #113 on: December 20, 2008, 02:26:10 PM »
Interesting tool by Mendralla to gauge original putter or not. Many sellers on E-Bay imply that 8802 putters they have for sale are the collectable ones when in fact they are re-makes or much later versions. The early 8802's that have a lesser value than the Palmer but are still the collectible ones had the green/red/ silver Head Speed shaft band and had the large maroon/ brown leather grips with the Wilson end cap. I have heard of people paying higher amounts of money for Wilson 8802's which were not the early versions they thought they were getting. In any event, they are a gorgeous classic used by many pros like Norman, Trevino, Pate, etc. Beleive it or not I don't think Palmer ever used an actual Palmer designed by. His early flange putters were ironmasters !!

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #114 on: December 20, 2008, 02:38:29 PM »
Does anyone know of a manufacturer that sells putter shafts like the old "Headspeed Shafts ". Flared tip that goes over the hosel ?? I have loose heads for a Wilson Delta and Pederson putter that need a shaft like this ?? Golfsmith or Golf Works, perhaps ?? Please advise !!!

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #115 on: December 20, 2008, 06:10:05 PM »
Does anyone know of a manufacturer that sells putter shafts like the old "Headspeed Shafts ". Flared tip that goes over the hosel ?? I have loose heads for a Wilson Delta and Pederson putter that need a shaft like this ?? Golfsmith or Golf Works, perhaps ?? Please advise !!!

Find a True Temper dealer and see if they can get in C-YHSF, which is the original, small butt stepped "head speed" shaft.

Most are only stocking the stepless, .600" butt YESTF.

Last source that I know of was Leaderboard Golf for the original YHSF shaft.
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #116 on: December 20, 2008, 08:04:28 PM »
Does anyone know of any pro shops or second hand stores in the New York Metropolitan area that sells used equipment or putters ??? Most places I've seen just have late model, high end clubs.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #117 on: December 21, 2008, 05:34:00 PM »
Does anyone know of a manufacturer that sells putter shafts like the old "Headspeed Shafts ". Flared tip that goes over the hosel ?? I have loose heads for a Wilson Delta and Pederson putter that need a shaft like this ?? Golfsmith or Golf Works, perhaps ?? Please advise !!!

Find a True Temper dealer and see if they can get in C-YHSF, which is the original, small butt stepped "head speed" shaft.

Most are only stocking the stepless, .600" butt YESTF.

Last source that I know of was Leaderboard Golf for the original YHSF shaft.

Give Byron Morgan a PM - see if he'll sell you the shaft you need :)

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #118 on: December 21, 2008, 06:31:53 PM »
 Original C-YHSF (headspeed)  fluted and stepped shaft, do they all have the green label or are some with the black and gold label

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #119 on: December 21, 2008, 09:03:10 PM »
Original C-YHSF (headspeed)  fluted and stepped shaft, do they all have the green label or are some with the black and gold label

The true temper shafts come from the factory with no label, they are stamped in ink with the shaft designation and the length on the butt (under the grip).

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #120 on: December 21, 2008, 09:53:46 PM »
Any way of identifying Original C-YHSF (headspeed)  shaft without removing the grip, when your searching for one to buy.

Length from the tip of the shaft to the first step?

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #121 on: December 21, 2008, 10:57:05 PM »
I don't know whether or not True Temper made the original headspeed shafts.

If you are looking for an original headspeed shaft, the best way to identify it is by the step pattern and the Wilson grip with the two flags on it. 

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #122 on: February 22, 2009, 07:19:50 PM »
Anyone know of any uriginal 8802's for sale at a reasonable price ?? 1963 or 1964 vintage with headspeed shaft and thick leather grip ?? Thanks.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #123 on: March 13, 2009, 01:54:30 AM »
mike t,

You didn't mention the condition level you were looking for... wall hanger or gamer.

BTW, the fat grip is now USGA nonconforming. Never could figure out quite why... great feeling grip, oh well.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2014, 03:03:10 AM »
Quite a bit history here
Byron Morgan DH89
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #125 on: January 20, 2017, 12:58:56 AM »
Hey guys,

Very late to this party!!!

Love the old stuff and want to start on the originals.

Can anyone tell me anything about this one?

I have been searching the threads and see nothing so I am assuming it is nothing special. I can get it for about $200USD - should I?

Thanks in advance.

Rob

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #126 on: January 20, 2017, 05:16:11 PM »
Hey Rob,

To answer your question; sure, why not? Especially if you believe you can make some putts with it.

As a collectable/investment, probably not.

Happy Trails,
Jack

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #127 on: January 21, 2017, 01:31:15 AM »
Thanks Jack,

That is exactly what I wanted to know mate.

I already have a gamer but love collecting the old school stuff.

I will wait for a great condition original of the 8802 or the 8813 to pop up somewhere.

Thanks again.

Rob
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #128 on: January 21, 2017, 01:57:57 AM »
You got it... never a problem mate!  ;)

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #129 on: January 21, 2017, 02:07:19 AM »
BTW Jack,

I have been a professional Comic here in Sydney since I was 17 - I am nearly 60 now! I have had many TV shows etc and have been doing it so long - I now teach Stand Up Comedy at a couple of colleges here.

Love Dangerfield - best one-liner man EVER!  :)

Rob
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Re: The 8802
« Reply #130 on: January 21, 2017, 02:21:27 AM »
Sydney, yes...I once went to a museum in Sydney where they had all the heads and arms from the statues that are in all the other museums.

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Re: The 8802
« Reply #131 on: January 21, 2017, 02:26:03 AM »
That's Steven Wright!!!! ha ha ha
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